Say Cheese! A Wedding Photographer Finds the Perfect Shot for Her ADHD and Dyscalculia [Video]

By Understood

When you have ADHD and dyscalculia, you need lots of tricks for keeping up while running a business. Taking advantage of her smartphone is just one of the tricks Lindsay Miguelez uses. Like so many of us, when Lindsay was growing up, she was told that she wouldn’t always have a calculator in her pocket to help with math. Thank goodness that was wrong!

It took seven years of struggling in college for Lindsay to decide to focus on wedding photography. Today, she’s in demand for her whimsical, romantic style. Of course, she still faces doubt and fear of failure. But she knows that sometimes you just have to say yes and figure things out later.

This week on “How’d You Get That Job?!,” explore how you can take a passion and turn it into a career. Hear about Lindsay’s journey, and get her tips for starting a small creative business.

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maybe because i grew up performing i
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love that you know we have a start time
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and it’s go go go and things have to
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keep moving you can’t pause you got to
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keep going when i was tested years ago
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for my learning disabilities i actually
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found that i had a super high processing
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speed um and so i feel like because of
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that i just love i love the fast pace i
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just love the go go go
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from the understood podcast network this
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is how did you get that job a podcast
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that explores the unique and often
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unexpected career paths of people with
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learning and thinking differences
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my name is eleni matheal and i’m a user
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researcher here at understood that means
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i spend a lot of time thinking about how
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we find jobs we love that reflect how we
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learn and who we are
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i’ll be your host
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have you ever thought about running your
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own small business or making a passion
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into a career
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our next guest lindsay mcallis turned
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her love of photography into a thriving
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business as a wedding photographer
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but it wasn’t easy lindsay has adhd
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executive functioning challenges and a
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math learning difference called
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dyscalculia in this episode we’re going
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to talk to her about her learning
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differences and how she got her small
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business going
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welcome to the show lindsay
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hi
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so lindsay i know that you’re a wedding
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photographer
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what is your favorite thing about your
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job
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wow
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there’s a ton of things i think just
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having the freedom to
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make my own rules and
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i like to say that a lot i mean
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obviously i’m i’m serving my clients i i
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have my couples that i love dearly and
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i’m providing a service for them but
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just really
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being able to take my business in
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directions that i want it to go in that
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i know that i have you know where my
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strengths are and where my weaknesses
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are and where you know i when i started
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my business there were things that i
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tried to do that i just came to the
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realization that just were not going to
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work out and weren’t benefiting me so
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just being able to take my business in
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the direction that i wanted to and just
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not having someone make rules for me and
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telling me you know what to do yeah
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definitely is entrepreneurship something
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that you were always interested in
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actually no my dad’s an entrepreneur but
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i just never
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ever thought of that i was gung-ho and
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going to college and i was getting a
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history degree i just kept my creative
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you know things like photography and and
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dance um just things that i just was
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going to keep as a hobby and i never
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thought that that would ever
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amount to any sort of career so i was
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very focused on school which at the same
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time was doing horrible in and having
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the most troubles but it was until i
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made the decision to stop going to
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college that i
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was going to pursue what i really wanted
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in life what i was passionate about and
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you know i wanted to always i knew since
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i was little that i was not meant for a
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typical nine-to-five job i knew that i
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wanted to do something that i truly
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loved i felt like i looked around at
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people who got their you know had their
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careers but they just complained about
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their jobs all the time and they hated
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it and i’ve never the kind of person
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that looks at something just for money
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that okay i’m gonna do this because of
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the money i want to do something that i
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love so it was really until i made that
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decision seven years ago to start my
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business that i was like okay i’m an
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entrepreneur i’m gonna you know run my
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own business and that was very foreign
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to me i’d never done that before so that
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was definitely a learning process
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figuring out how to do that definitely
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you mentioned
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that
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you
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always knew a nine to five wasn’t
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necessarily for you and one of the
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things that you love about
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entrepreneurship
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is this idea of being able to
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do what you want and um you know not
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necessarily have to answer to other
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people
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i would love for you to talk about how
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that might relate to
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your differences and you know we haven’t
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really talked about what your
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differences are so if you could like
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introduce what some of your differences
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are and you know if you’ve thought about
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how that might connect
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yeah definitely um so in the fourth
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grade i was officially diagnosed with
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attention deficit disorder i was able to
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easily fall through the cracks because i
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wasn’t necessarily hyper i was very shy
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and quiet so peop but my grades
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reflected poorly on me so it took a
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little bit for um teachers to take
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notice so my mom got me into testing and
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the diagnosis was attention deficit as i
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progressed through school and doing more
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testing here and there it came out that
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i had dyscalculia which is math dyslexia
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which i realized was probably the
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biggest issue that i had in school and
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just with my learning differences and
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just overall i am a very visual hands-on
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person and i need to teach myself so um
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having teachers teach me in a certain
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way i wasn’t able to comprehend i wasn’t
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able to
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do as well as the other students and i
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really really struggled so i think
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that i
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having my own business i’ve done away
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with that person telling me how i need
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to learn this i mean even with my camera
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when i started my photography business i
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wasn’t an expert with my camera i still
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didn’t understand how aperture worked
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but it was easier because i
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could teach myself in a way that i knew
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i was going to learn and i can learn
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from mistakes which is really how i
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learn i once i make the mistake i will
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never ever make it again but i have to
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make that mistake first i think it’s
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interesting to think about you know you
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mentioned teaching yourself photography
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and then having to learn a lot about
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running your own business
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and doing that in the style that works
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for you
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and also setting your business up in a
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way that placed your strengths you
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mentioned strengths as well earlier so
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i would love to hear like what some of
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those lessons were like what were some
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of the things that you needed to learn
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about running your own business yeah oh
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my gosh there is a ton but just having a
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creative small business really learning
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how to put yourself out there and
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there’s so much fear that comes with
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that i thought you know what it what are
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people going to think about me in this
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baby business you know i know i’m not
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that good yet and i’m just learning but
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i had to put myself out there um so
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there was a big lesson
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that i needed to learn in just saying
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yes just doing it just going for it i
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always think of the tina fey quote she’s
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like just say yes and figure it out
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later and that’s what i kept telling
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myself because i would get an inquiry
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for a wedding and i had not done a
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wedding myself and i was super super
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scared and i just i didn’t feel
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confident and i just thought you know of
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all the bad things that could happen
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what if i mess up but i just said you
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know what we’re gonna book this i’m
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gonna
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prepare myself as much as i can
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um and then of course you know that
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first wedding i learned a ton just about
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how the day works you know different
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lighting situations with my camera and
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everything so there was a lot of fear i
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needed to put aside and just put it in
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the back of my head and just really go
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for it and i find myself doing that even
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today even though i have a
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well-established business and i have
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people willing to hire me and loving my
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work there are still things that happen
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that i do get scared and i think what is
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this person gonna think or what if i
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fail what if i don’t do a good job and i
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have to keep reminding myself we’re just
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gonna say yes and we’re gonna think
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about it later we’re just gonna do it i
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mean even this podcast i was super
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nervous but i’m just like we’re just
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gonna do it i know it’s gonna it’s gonna
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be fine i really enjoyed the way that
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you phrased that because i think a lot
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of people
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when they think about like starting
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anything you can feel like a really
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daunting thing but it’s really humbling
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to think about well
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no one really knows what they’re doing
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until they try and
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um you know all of the learnings are so
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unique to i’m sure like your own unique
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business and your own unique situation
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so
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i’m sure that you’re learning
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like you know what you need to learn for
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yourself personally and that may or may
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not relate to um
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to everyone
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so you mentioned adhd and dyscalculia
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are there any challenges that come up
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that are related to running a small
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business and those differences
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yes definitely it’s definitely difficult
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with attention deficit when i have a lot
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of administrative work and since i am
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the sole runner of my business i do
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everything absolutely everything emails
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accounting the contracts paperwork and
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also you know going out in the field and
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and shooting and working with clients
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and that i have a very easy time doing
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when i am hands-on when i’m with people
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i am completely on completely focused
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and i’m loving every second of it i can
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just feel that it’s you know what i’m
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meant to do and this or just being in
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person with people and photographing a
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wedding day i get a high from it but
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when i’m in my office having to edit the
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thousands and thousands of photos i of
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course i do love editing because that’s
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the next half of the creative process in
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producing the images but it gets hard
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being distracted with a house you know
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i’ve pets i have laundry i have things
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to do and so working for yourself you
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also
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need to
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have self-discipline and so sometimes i
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do wish i had someone who was kind of
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telling me what to do even though i love
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that i don’t have anyone in this
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business telling me what to do but
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sometimes i feel like i need somebody to
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kind of keep me on track because it can
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just be very overwhelming i just say my
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adds flaring when i can’t concentrate
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and i try to do all i can to you know to
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get things done in the time that they
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need to be done um as far as the
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discalculia that involves numbers i
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always say numbers don’t mean anything
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to me they don’t have any value and i i
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have never understood them and so
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obviously by
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job doesn’t revolve around any math or
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any computing or anything but simple
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things like my prices like or the amount
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someone owes me i always need to have
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that written down somewhere because i
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cannot just pull that from memory it’s
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even hard for me to remember relatives
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ages or birthdays because it’s it’s a
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number it doesn’t really mean anything
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to me so i definitely have that little
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difficulty that you know i try to hide
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when someone’s like oh what’s the price
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of this and i just i just have to make
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sure because i know when my brain the
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numbers are going to get jumbled yeah
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well firstly in terms of what you talked
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about around you know a small business
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requiring a lot of like time management
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and organization
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we know that you know there are like
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some executive functioning challenges
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that come um with adhd
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that relate to organization and time
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management yes so
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what do you do to cope with that like
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when your adhd is flaring
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yes i i definitely have that’s one of
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the things that i was diagnosed with
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like executive dysfunction or i’m not
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sure exactly the name but the i remember
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in school they were like you know it has
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to do with note-taking and getting
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homework in on time and things like that
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and that was definitely something that i
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always had an issue with so now i
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utilize my phone my reminders my
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calendar you know i i know when i need
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to even remind myself to put an alarm on
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my phone to start getting ready but i i
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definitely
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had trouble in the past when i was first
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starting in in that time management and
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you know how much time i needed to get
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from one destination to the other how
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much time i needed to really get ready
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but now
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doing this for many years and having the
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same types of sessions and the same
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types of weddings i
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utilize my phone and alarms and my
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calendar to really help me you know keep
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track of time because time is a is
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another big thing with dyscalculia
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that’s really hard for me to grasp and i
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always think it takes a lot less time
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than it does so in order for me you know
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not to be late i make sure that i kind
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of lie to myself and tell myself you
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know if the wedding starts at 2 it
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actually starts at 1 30 and that’s the
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time you know i
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give myself a false time to start and
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act like that’s the starting time and
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that way i can ensure that you know i
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will get there on time and i have all my
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docs in a row
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yeah
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i think it’s really great to normalize
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even though you have a job that requires
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like some of the things that you
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struggle with like the time management
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organization you have ways to manage
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that day-to-day and that it’s still
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totally possible to like get those
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things done
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we haven’t talked too much about
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dyscalculia on the show so um i think
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it’s really interesting to hear like the
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way that you describe it around you know
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not necessarily having like a concept of
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numbers or like being able to understand
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what they are and you know one of the
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ways that it comes up is um pricing
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do you ever get like any support around
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you know those types of challenges like
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either from other people or other like
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coping mechanisms
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i think
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mostly i mean the people that really
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understand how i am with numbers is my
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mother and my husband so
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there as far as outsiders it’s very easy
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for me to just keep these things to
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myself i don’t want to say it’s not a
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common thing but you don’t usually hear
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dyscalculia a lot of people hear that
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word and they’ve never heard it before
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they’ve heard of dyslexia so i just say
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you know it’s kind of like math dyslexia
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but
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you know as far as in my industry it’s
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it’s easy to
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kind of hide those things and something
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that i felt like i’ve hid my entire life
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i’ve just known that i gotta pull out my
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calculator for something or i have to
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look at it written down i’m not going if
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it has anything to do with numbers i’m
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just not going to remember but
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thankfully in my line of work i get
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inquiries you know via email nothing’s
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ever in person so i’m able to send
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pricing and send it already written out
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which is good and then you know when i
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have
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like timeline calls with couples and
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everything i make sure i have all the
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papers out and i see you know how many
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hours they hired me for and how their
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timeline looks but a lot of times going
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through timelines either created
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creating them or viewing them from
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planners sometimes it’s hard too because
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it’s all
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different parts of time and i have to
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kind of calculate okay how much time do
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i need to do to do this or you know what
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time do they want me to arrive versus
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you know leaving um and a lot of times
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it’s over the phone and i’m just kind of
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trying to do
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the math you know to the side really
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quickly but sometimes i do get a little
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anxious and like flustered um because i
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just know that i just can’t do mental
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math easy in my head and quick like
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other people and i’m sure no one looking
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at me is realizing what’s going on in my
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brain and realizing that i’m having a
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difficulty um
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but
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you know it’s just it’s always going to
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be an insecurity for me but i’m just
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glad that phones have calculators and we
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can have calculators in our pocket all
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the time unlike what teachers said in
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grade school so
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exactly
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yeah you mentioned you know working with
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couples obviously that’s a really big
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part of wedding planning um
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and wedding photography do you want to
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talk a little bit about what you like
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and maybe even what you don’t like about
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working with people
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hmm
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so
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i am an introvert and i a lot of times
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like to be alone but they’re um so you
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would think that i didn’t like working
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with people but i think the big crowds
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of a wedding day sometimes it can be
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frustrating with guests because they
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don’t know me i don’t know them and
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you’re trying to kind of herd masses of
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people to do certain things or you have
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someone who’s like in your shot or
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walking down the aisle in the middle of
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the ceremony and those little things can
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get annoying and frustrating and i know
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it’s that way for a lot of people in my
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industry um but as far as the couples
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that i get to work with it has been such
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a something i didn’t realize that i
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would love and really cherish the fact
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that i get to know these people and we
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become friends or good acquaintances and
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they hire me throughout you know their
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life and they grow their family and have
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babies and i get to keep up with them
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and it’s just i feel like i have all
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these friends and it’s just really been
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been great to you know get to know them
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and just follow their journey and it’s
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just cool it’s really awesome
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yeah i know that you mentioned early in
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the conversation that it also gives you
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an opportunity to be really creative and
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you know i imagine that a lot of couples
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have like a very clear vision of you
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know what they would like and what they
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would
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want their photographs to look like
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um how do you help like bring that
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vision to life and make them feel really
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special
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yeah so i really try hard with my
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consistency to produce the same quality
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of work and and the same style because
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there’s a lot of different styles in
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wedding photography these days so i’m
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very very upfront with my style so i
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make sure that when someone wants to
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hire me that they do love my style and
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they like what i produce and they want
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the same thing they really trust me with
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the creativity and to produce you know
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what they’re looking for how would you
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describe your style
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my style’s light and airy i like it very
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crisp and clean
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actual film photography is still a thing
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a lot of people are surprised about that
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i still shoot digital but the look of
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film photography is is gorgeous to me
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but in in weddings i need to see what
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i’ve shot i need to shoot digital um not
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ready to make the jump to film but i
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tried to emulate um that style that you
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know just kind of whimsical romantic
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style so when
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so that when my couples look back at
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their day you know all they feel is
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obviously happiness from the memories
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but i want the photos to portray that as
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well can you talk a little bit more
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about what you enjoy
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in
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on the day of the wedding i’m sure that
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a lot of people have misconceptions
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about what a wedding photographer like
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does do you want to talk a little bit
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about what it looks like on the day
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yeah yeah i look at it as just like a
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big production maybe because i grew up
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performing and so
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i love that you know we have a start
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time and it’s go go go and you know
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things have to keep moving you can’t
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pause you got to keep going when i was
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tested years ago for my learning
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disabilities i actually found that i had
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a super high processing speed um and so
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i feel like because of that i just love
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i love the fast pace i just love the go
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go go and then i love seeing my couples
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just relax once they hit the reception
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because the ceremony ceremony’s over and
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you know being in front of the crowd is
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over and they’re just they’re ready to
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party and they’re ready to have fun and
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it’s just awesome watching them
18:21
experience the best day of their lives
18:23
oh so sweet
18:25
i also love that you really love the
18:27
fast-paced nature and that really
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relates back to
18:30
you know the way that your brain works
18:32
and your differences in terms of having
18:33
a high processing speed so i love how
18:35
that all like tied together
18:37
last time we spoke you said that you
18:39
were in college for seven years why do
18:41
you think that it took you so long to
18:43
come to that realization
18:45
yeah i think about this a lot that you
18:47
know oh if only i had started my
18:49
business earlier and i should have
18:51
started it earlier i think that i just
18:53
never saw a way to do it i never saw any
18:57
examples until i was seven years in my
19:00
now husband and i we had just moved in
19:01
together we were dating and but we were
19:03
reaching that age where a lot of people
19:04
were getting married and so i started
19:06
seeing other people you know posting
19:08
their engagement photos so when i
19:11
decided hey i love photography i see
19:13
these people running their own
19:15
businesses working for themselves full
19:17
time being able to do photography but
19:19
they’re doing it with weddings and
19:20
portraits so i got a job at a portrait
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studio in the mall thinking you know
19:24
they will teach me how to do this and so
19:27
i did and they you know kind of taught
19:29
me how to pose and i learned more about
19:32
the camera i only stayed there a couple
19:33
months because i thought okay i’m
19:35
learning enough like i want to get this
19:36
thing going i have my name picked out
19:38
like i’m just gonna i’m just gonna go
19:41
and do this and give it a try and i did
19:43
a lot of you know free shoots for people
19:45
i just contacted everyone and anyone i
19:47
knew who was a couple or a senior or
19:50
families to say hey like let me take
19:52
pictures of you it’ll be no charge
19:54
you’ll get the photos but i just need to
19:56
build my portfolio and i really need to
19:58
practice
19:59
that’s great you know i think for a lot
20:01
of people there’s a lot of pressure like
20:04
societal pressure family pressure to go
20:08
down the college route and it’s
20:09
interesting for you like one of the
20:12
like main blockers really was that you
20:14
didn’t have role models for like people
20:16
that were doing something different it
20:17
wasn’t until you saw that in practice
20:19
that you were able to envision it for
20:22
yourself
20:23
and you know we hear about a lot of
20:24
people that have like a passion or hobby
20:26
but they don’t believe they can make it
20:27
into a career so it’s really interesting
20:30
to hear how you made that happen for
20:31
yourself even though it took you a while
20:33
you still got there in the end and it
20:35
sounds like you found something that’s
20:36
really compatible with your differences
20:38
and with your strengths too which is
20:40
really great looking back is there
20:41
anything that you wish you had known
20:44
sooner um as you were like struggling
20:46
through school and college
20:49
the main thing i was always worried
20:50
about in college was that
20:52
you know was i going to be successful or
20:55
not and that to me in terms was not
20:57
with money or anything it just was
21:00
you know doing good in my career but
21:03
also working a job that i loved and i
21:05
really have always had a passion for
21:07
history so i knew if i got a job you
21:10
know i would enjoy it um but with
21:14
college and the way my grades were
21:16
reflected and how i you know all the
21:18
struggles that i
21:20
had already faced and that i knew lied
21:22
ahead in order for me to get my degree i
21:24
just it leaves you very insecure it
21:27
leaves you feeling like you aren’t going
21:29
to be successful you’re nev you’re not
21:30
going to make it you’re not going to
21:32
you know be the person that you want to
21:34
be and it took
21:36
me at a very very low point
21:40
in
21:41
my college career to decide to quit and
21:44
that was my first that was what i first
21:46
did i first quit i didn’t even think of
21:48
photography like i just said i have got
21:50
to stop i always wanted to be the person
21:52
to you know fall seven times and get up
21:55
eight and just keep going keep going
21:57
keep pushing through it but it breaks
21:59
you down the more that you fail and
22:01
breaks you down mentally and so my first
22:03
decision was to stop and i even thought
22:06
maybe i’ll go back next semester but i
22:08
just think that i need to stop and so i
22:10
knew i had to do something else and so
22:12
you know a lot of times when that’s when
22:14
it feels like this is your only option
22:16
you just
22:18
go for it and you don’t look back or
22:20
look around or anything you just look
22:21
forward
22:22
yeah
22:23
do you have any advice to people who
22:25
might want to start a small business
22:27
based on a passion or hobby
22:30
yeah i
22:31
would say
22:33
you know any of those fears that creep
22:35
up because they will creep up i think
22:36
you’re crazy if you don’t have any fears
22:39
to put them aside and and literally say
22:41
yes and figure it out later when you get
22:43
any take any and all opportunities that
22:45
you can take and i always tell people
22:47
you know if you quit that’s the only way
22:49
you’re gonna fail is if you quit if you
22:51
continue to go you cannot possibly fail
22:54
i think of the artist lizzo she said
22:56
that at one point like she was working
22:57
for like liberty tax
22:59
and dressing up as the statue of liberty
23:02
even she was still pursuing her dream
23:04
and she just kept going and she did not
23:06
stop and that’s how she got to where she
23:09
is today and just thinking about if she
23:10
had just stopped and given up she
23:12
wouldn’t be where she is and same with
23:14
me i wouldn’t be where i am and i i see
23:17
a lot of people in this industry think
23:19
that it’s a lot easier than it is and
23:21
they go all in and then they end up
23:23
quitting and really if you just push
23:25
past those barriers and those struggles
23:27
and um those downfalls
23:30
you know you will make it eventually
23:33
well thank you so much for having this
23:35
conversation with me
23:36
yeah thank you
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